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That should be a new rule. "Too fast for da chew, too slow for da slipppah". Could be the great equalizer. Paradise be called something entirely different when you slip slide through it five times in slippahs. I like see all da blahlahs wid the flesh hangin off da ends of da beeg toes, the gashes on the arches,and whatever else for when da fast juice runs dry and dey been bumpin da rocks all night long. The slow boys go smile real large when they go clumpin bye bye in their combat type chews. Bravado no end at the trail head, but you no pack it back out with you when you dress for da beach stead da bush, that's for sure.
November 18, 2009 at 09:04 PM
Never did use trail shoes. Always used my worn-out Nike road shoes for trails. True.
November 18, 2009 at 04:53 PM
I have a pair of INOV's that I love....not sure of the model,,,Marian has them also..
I still really like my Saucony Trail shoes,,,great toe box and my feet are rarely trashed after a 100.
no blisters either.
Gil loves his Solomon Wings,,,Huddy runs in them also...
no slipping and sliding...
and Hoppy...you no need da shoe, bra,,,your feet, they no touch the ground.
November 18, 2009 at 04:01 PM
2008 I used the Hardrocks and they did well. A little sore on the bottom of my forefoot, but that's to be expected after 60 miles or so. I really liked the arch protection from walking on the roots. 2009 I used Inov8 rocklites, and I think I'll stick with them. I like that they are narrower and weigh so much less. The Inov8's work better over at Peacock, also.
For my road shoes I always use Nike's. I tried using their trail shoe, but they sucked. I also tried using a cheaper adidas trail shoe and, although better than the Nike, was pretty bad.
Are people doing HURT loops in Vibrams? Wow!
November 18, 2009 at 02:49 PM
I should also add that I used the Terroc 330s on the old (pre-2007), much more difficult HURT course; not the mamby pamby one of the last couple of years!
November 18, 2009 at 02:29 PM
Inov-8 Terroc 330s with Sole inserts.
November 18, 2009 at 02:23 PM
'2010' Year of the slippah!+2cents, Young stevens could be on to something there.Completed HR.in Brooks cascadia -right out of the box.They worked well -blister free, even tried returning them afterwards- with the old only wore them once thingy. My friend worked at the store,so was only acting up.NB.790,S for 50k or so. What works for me the best @ Hurt seems to be a road shoe- asics D.S. trainer, seem to go the distance .After the first loop you can usualy not recognise what your wearing anyway and these seem to handle the abuse quite well?
paul hoppy |
November 17, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Great info coming here runners. I really appreciate it. I have some experience with both LaSportiva and Salomon. The LaSportiva were older models. One version was really more of an approach shoe however it had excellent traction on the wet rocks and roots of the HURT course. I have always liked the Salomon shoes. They fit well, however I have found them to be better for dry conditions. Based on what I have read here, I am leaning toward giving the Crosslites a try.
Bob Mc. |
November 17, 2009 at 09:59 PM
I trained in the (2008) Hardrocks on the Hurt trails all last November. They were ok, but kind of slick. The tread was notvery agressive, and the soles were bulky. I tried some Solomans too, but their new lacing system sucks!
I got back to New Mexico and bought a pair of the La Sportiva Crosslites, since I use their climbing shoes/mountaineering boots. I loved them for training here in NM in the winter mud and snow. I took them to HURT in 09, and though not much mud on race day, on muddy training days leading up to it, they did great! I bought a second pair, and even got the spikes to screw into them since we're into the snow/ice season now. Anyhow, the widely spaced agressive tread was great for the roots, rocks and didn't get packed in with mud on the Tantalus trail. Fairly lite for the agressiveness. The sewn in tongue can take some getting used to, but that's my only complaint. My feet fared really well after the race, very few blisters or sore spots from impact. I converted my boyfriend after he finished his 4th Hardrock in Hardrocks, with hamburger feet. He loves them now too! I highly recommend the La Sportiva Crosslites!!
Cheryl Ridlon |
November 17, 2009 at 06:27 PM
I have been using the Brooks Cascadia for a few years now. The current model is the Cascadia IV. I mainly run on Tantalus and these shoes provide great traction in both wet and dry conditions. The shoes are fairly light and the mesh weave is open enough to allow water to drain quickly. Additionally, they have a plastic barrier along the top of the sole that keeps most of the water out. They also have a plastic insert in the sole to spread impact from sharp rocks. They also have a pivot point in front of the heel. The pivot point is just a stiff wedge in the sole that allows the cushion effect from the heel transfer to the forefoot without sacrificing forward momentum. I have worn the Cascadia’s on runs up to 6 hours and I have never had a blister from them.
Prior to the Cascadia, I used the Salomon XA Comp. These shoes worked well for short distances, but I found that the heel cup was too shallow for longer excursions.
November 17, 2009 at 02:54 PM
My first trail shoe is my favorite, the Saucony Omni 5. For all I know it had good traction and held up well. Had two pair and when stores on island quit carrying it I bought it's replacement but didn't like it as much.
I've started running in Vibram Five Fingers (jury is still out).
November 17, 2009 at 02:48 PM
La Sportiva Crosslites are my go to shoe, and I also have the Fireblades to switch back and forth with, but I can't imagine a much better shoe than the Crosslites. I have a low volume foot but like a wide toe box for more stability, and need a snug fit around my medium to high arch and mid-foot. The Crosslites give me that along with a nimble feeling racer that I use on all of my distances (so far only up to 35 miles though), but still have plenty of protection for rocks and what not. I was really surprised by the "braking" lugs which I feel work great, and all the lugs provide a very nice level of cushioning that doesn't feel sloppy. They feel lighter than they are, allow your bio-mechanics to do what they want, grip even in sloppy muddy trails, and never leave me wishing for more shoe on my serious or fast runs.
The Fireblades have the same fit with more shoe, and with not much weight penalty. Everything on the shoe feels more substantial without feeling clumsy, even for me who likes to do some training in Vibram Five Fingers. The biggest difference between the Crosslites and the Fireblades is the Fireblades have some more heel cushioning, but with keeping that in mind, the entire shoe feels beefier. The other more noticeable difference is the traction is less aggressive on the Fireblades but still very nice and sticky. These two are very much cousins and if they fit you and you like switching between shoes, these two work very well together.
With all of this being said, I live in Portland, OR and do my training in the local Forest Park. I will be trying my Crosslites out on some trails this next week in your paradise and I will add more comments then.
For a point of reference I have had trouble with shoes fitting adequately and have started to feel a little plantar fasciitis acting up with all Adidas shoes (even have tried many shoes from the adizero line), Solomon Speed Comps (less so with those), and Fila racing flats (don't have to worry about those anymore). For road running I use Nike Free 3.0 and have had great luck with those also. If anyone else has had similar trouble with similar shoes or good luck with similar shoes I would love to hear what else has worked for you. Can't imagine finding much better shoes than the La Sportiva Crosslites, and I will be also trying the Skylites when things get a little dryer out here (Spring). I have enjoyed following this site for awhile, keep up the good work!
November 17, 2009 at 10:21 AM
There is some good info coming in here, however I was hoping for more participation. The Vasque Velocity has been my go-to shoe for two HURT 100's. It is not the lightest shoe out there by any means but I find it gets pretty good traction and most importantly provides good protection for my feet on the HURT course. This year (09 HURT 100), I ran the first 40 miles in Saucony Guide TR shoes. They are lighter than the Vasque's and seem to get fair traction as well out on the HURT course. My strategy was to go with a lighter shoe for the first 40 miles and then switch over to my Vasques for the final 60 miles.
In my experience, I find I need a shoe that is a bit beefier for the HURT 100 just because the course can really beat up my feet.
Any one else want to jump in here? Has anyone tried the LaSportiva Crosslite on our trails here?
Bob Mc. |
November 16, 2009 at 11:53 PM
Addidas Supernove Trail 5's, now replaced by Riots. Or The next model down the Addidas Response Trail. Both very good mudders with good over rock traction and good cushioning. I have run in the Addidas Adistar Trail Something and they are almost as good as the Supernova Trails. I've run in some Ascics but they are not mudders. OK for dry trails. Same goes for the Addidas SJ5's great at Peacock but not a wet weather shoe. I upsize all my addidas, insert an extra cushion pad, wear a couple pair of soxs (ingingi and thurlo) I go with the Conan style Gators, which are good for mud and wet weather--keep out the crap and don't restrict access to the shoe laces. (Gators increase my shoe life by 30-50%) I also shoe goo the front of the toe box for added root and rock protection.(addidas toe protection is not optimal) Best to do it when the shoes are new and let it set for a week or two. I run with shoes moderately tight, so I can move my feet around a bit, but with the bottom laces tight enough to restrict slidding of toes forward on downhills. In really wet conditions I bag balm my feet before I put on my soxs as it seems to help restrict water logging a bit.
I stop immediately when i feel a problem developing with my feet. Pulling up ones soxs is often a simple fix; it takes seconds and avoids blistering and hot spots. Re-tying laces is also a quick adjustment that can keep problems at bay. I often carry an extra pair of soxs so I can change out when things get difficult.
Finally changing stride and moving your foot inside the shoe when foot problems appear are often ways to keep moving while dealing with a potential hot spot.
November 16, 2009 at 06:22 PM
I like Adidas Kanadia TRs, because they're light, have a low profile, and are very flexible, yet give some pretty good support for longer runs. I also have New Balance 790s, very light, good for shorter faster runs. I also still have some Nike Considered Humaras, ultralight and flexible, with minimal outer soles. They are exceptionally 'sticky' on rocky, technical trails, but you can feel all the rocks, kinda like Vibram, but without the separate toes.
By the way, I bought some INOV-8 Rocklites, but they are too small and narrow for my feet, and would sell them cheap to anyone who has small enough feet. I only wore them 3 times. Size 9, but they run small (I wear 8 1/2, but they were still too small). If anyone is interested, e-mail me at email@example.com.
November 15, 2009 at 02:56 PM
I would like to see some pictures of you racing in those Stevens! Will be there this week, not sure if I can get away with my Free's on most trails or if I should bring my trail shoes, would like to do a HURT 100 sampler.
November 14, 2009 at 10:34 PM
shoe: size 9 "Locals" rubbah slippahs.
why I like them: easy to tie, breathable, light, can be found outside the front door of any party and intimidates the competition who owns fancy pants $100 shoes....
November 14, 2009 at 09:36 PM
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